tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8608317781914932095.post8105282930874736612..comments2023-05-20T05:19:32.469-05:00Comments on Diana Prince as the New Wonder Woman: I Don't Read Wonder Woman Comics AnymoreDiabolu Frankhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04685199809207954223noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8608317781914932095.post-90049660718555531002012-05-13T12:57:32.266-05:002012-05-13T12:57:32.266-05:00Anonymous, with books like Chew and Ax Cop getting...Anonymous, with books like <i>Chew</i> and <i>Ax Cop</i> getting TV series options, I think old school Wonder Woman gonzo is a lot more hip than <i>Highlander</i> on estrogen. I'm old enough to know the difference between true daring and dead end sensationalism. New 52 Wonder Woman is like '90s Image, instead of the current trailblazing brand.Diabolu Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685199809207954223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8608317781914932095.post-73738814139466018562012-05-13T10:35:35.816-05:002012-05-13T10:35:35.816-05:00This just says to me you're getting old and ap...This just says to me you're getting old and appear a little out of touch and unwilling to see the characters need to evolve. Younger people are never going to fall in love with the version you laud. It does not speak to them at all. You should be proud the concept of WW can still be strong and endure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8608317781914932095.post-33045517285668388192012-05-05T00:41:36.362-05:002012-05-05T00:41:36.362-05:00Not only that, but slavish devotion to purity of c...Not only that, but slavish devotion to purity of concept would have insured my favorite runs never happened. I get such a kick from the Mike Sekowsky stuff, but fans as well placed as Gloria Steinem were vocally opposed to the de-powering of their heroine. I see their point, but I'll take my <i>Diana Prince</i> trades over anything Kanigher did over his decades in command. I loved Diana working at Taco Whiz, helping a co-worker collect her back child support. Fans of The Princess found it demeaning, whereas I found that some of the most endearing material in the canon. I'm all for different strokes, but I draw the line at deathstrokes...Diabolu Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685199809207954223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8608317781914932095.post-45015342450236023032012-05-04T09:40:34.912-05:002012-05-04T09:40:34.912-05:00All I want to reply is that I admire your maturity...All I want to reply is that I admire your maturity in "retreating to your nostalgia" rather than grousing endlessly on the Internet about how awful things are. Much in the same way that when I get fed up with something which Matt Fraction is doing, I can beat a path to my Essential Iron Man volumes, or Bob & Dave run #1 or #2. One of the great things about comics is that the characters have been around for as long as they have, after all! <br /><br />Frankly, Wonder Woman is a character with such legs (<i>...not like that!</i>) (<i>... okay, like that too!</i>) that there will always be different interpretations of her which appeal to different readers. While that can be frustrating, it has a certain quality to it, too, methinks.Lukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07352646370918575626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8608317781914932095.post-20258371226269242982012-05-02T02:16:50.705-05:002012-05-02T02:16:50.705-05:00I couldn't add anything to what Karl said, buy...I couldn't add anything to what Karl said, buy I can always arm wrestle with rogue trooper Jaconetti!<br /><br />I don't dispute the artistic legitimacy of the New 52. There is clearly a driving vision of a streamlined DC Universe that goes beyond monetary concerns. For instance, I grew up as a Marvel fan, but the truth is that I was a taken by Jim Shooter's guidance of the Marvel Universe far more than I was its base under Stan Lee or its future with Joe Quesada. The DCU is being massaged into a new form by men like Dan Didio, Geoff Johns and Jim Lee. My problem is with this jacked-up lot projecting their myopia onto the entirety of the entity. It's not just a ground zero reboot, but a poisoning of the well that feeds the land.<br /><br />There's nothing about Mozzarella's Wonder Woman that is particularly friendly to translation into mass media. It's clear that his masters have a vague concept of the character as standing in a field, chopping down stalks of cock to her left and right on her way to plunging her sword into the inviting orifice of modernized mythology (circa 1986 or so.) Asshorello is just the medium for conveying this concept, and as all other Wonder Woman stories will use this interpretation as their baseline, the character that mattered to me has ceased to exist entirely in the DCFU. When I ran my shops in the late '90s, I remember those guys who were still bitching about how Frank Miller ruined Batman and Daredevil, often while still buying the books. I refuse to be that guy, or at least halfway so.<br /><br />That having been said, I'm also not going to be rabble rousing. By most accounts, the book is pretty good and selling well, which is a huge improvement over half a century of mediocrity with occasional jolts of intrigue. I don't recall unreservedly enjoying an issue of the second volume after Messner-Loebs left with #100, but kept buying it for another decade. I took the decent with the bad, until DC gave up on it, and I did too. I'm thankful that I didn't subject myself to the entirety of Volume 3, and I'm relieved that I can stop being concerned with volume 4. I can just say no to it and retreat to my nostalgia. I have such affection for the core of the character, and see so much potential, but this is just the latest blow in a long line of disappointments.<br /><br />Speaking of my shops, there was a customer I had who was a teenaged Iron Man fan who was endlessly frustrated by Marvel's treatment of his hero. He continued to support the book until I closed down my shop, but pretty much immediately gave up on comics altogether afterward. His longboxes languish in the garage, but we still get together to catch the latest Marvel movies, including his favorite.<br /><br />I miss the real Luke Cage, too...Diabolu Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685199809207954223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8608317781914932095.post-84658281760812195072012-05-01T18:04:16.765-05:002012-05-01T18:04:16.765-05:00(con't)
It also helps that I tend to enjoy Az...(con't)<br /><br />It also helps that I tend to enjoy Azzarello's work because I always liked 100 Bullets. But I recognize where you are coming from: I got very irritated while reading his Cage miniseries because that MAX book essentially ruined Luke Cage for all writers who followed (read: Bendis) up with the character. But it seems that fans would much rather read about a glorified thug than the "real" Hero For Hire. But to them, the "old" Hero For Hire is not the "real" one, the one in a skull cap and wife beater shirt is the "real" Hero For Hire. Which incarnation is more valid? That's a debate for another time.<br /><br />Which Wonder Woman is most valid? I don't know the answer to that. I know that even though I enjoy this title currently that I would love to see some more global elements introduced. I'd love to see Wonder Woman as a symbol of empowerment and dignity once again, because I think that is a fantastic aspect of her character. I don't want knee-jerk liberal politicizing, or ball crushing militant feminism. But would it be too much to ask for Diana to have her eyes opened to what she represents for the women of the world? That's a story I would like to read.<br /><br />Anyways. Thanks for your thoughts and opinions. I appreciate the insight from a long time fan.Lukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07352646370918575626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8608317781914932095.post-62196296947208678352012-05-01T18:03:38.088-05:002012-05-01T18:03:38.088-05:00Now now Frank, tell us what you really think. /Sta...Now now Frank, tell us what you really think. /StandardIssueJoke<br /><br />The main argument I will present to you is that, despite the capitalistic motivations of the New 52, at the end of the day the reboot is legitimate; this is not the same Diana whom readers such as yourself have read about for decades. This is not the same Wonder Woman who Moulton Marston and Peter created in the old days. This is not the santized but still batshit crazy Wonder Woman from Kanigher and company. And so on and so forth. <br /><br />Taking this new start as that, I am reading the book and enjoying it. I don't know the old continuity, nor do I know the old stories. I have read less than a dozen Wonder Woman comics published before 2008; I've seen more episodes of the TV show than read WW comics. So I don't have the same background nor experience with the character that you do, and don't bring that to the table when I read the new series.<br /><br />Now then, that means nothing to you, nor should it. Your experience and reactions to what is being done to one of "your" characters is 100% legitimate and gripe-worthy. If you don't like what DC is doing with the Amazin' Amazon (aside: I'd love to see a commission of Wonder Woman wearing a Mets hat), then please exercise your capitalist duty and don't buy it. <br /><br />I can (and do) sympathize with your position. My favorite comic book hero is Iron Man. Has been for a loooong time. So you can imagine my utter frustration when 30+ years of history is jettisoned to shoehorn movie continuity into the comic, and then said shoehorned comic sells orders of magnitude better than the aforementioned 30+ years of continuity. Matt Fraction's Tony Stark is unrecognizable as the Tony Stark of Marvel Comics fame, but more readily recognizable as the Tony Stark of Marvel Films fame. And the fans love it, and buy it in numbers not seen on Iron Man in some time. It sticks in my craw to no end. And it bugs me every month when I read an issue of Invincible Iron Man and comment on the out of character elements, or the continuity mistakes, or whatnot. What's even more irritating is that Fraction still writes (generally) good Iron Man stories, so even though they really don't line up with my two long boxes of Iron Man comics they are still for the most part enjoyable. So I have learned to Stop Worrying And Love The Bomb, as it were. <br /><br />I imagine that my frustration and irritation are similar to how you feel about Wonder Woman being taken so far from her initial concept. Readers (seemingly) want to read about a badass warrior woman in a star spangled one-piece who gets mixed up in the machinations of the gods on a regular basis. I can only speak for myself, and I enjoy the book, personally. (con't)Lukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07352646370918575626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8608317781914932095.post-39604908159893546332012-04-28T17:35:30.893-05:002012-04-28T17:35:30.893-05:00I understand your frustrations - completely.
I ha...I understand your frustrations - completely. <br />I have extremely mixed feelings about this 'Wonder Woman' madness now out on sale. Its so markedly different it bears no relation whatsoever t the lady we all know and love. I have been reading WW since 1971 non-stop but the past three years...I dont know, I dont know. DC seem intent on destroying her, they almost certainly have no further idea what ot do with her.<br />Its all SO mad...<br />I will be sticking with the book, regardless. WW is in my dna, I cannot lose her, but I understand why many feel this is a character they no longer recognise. I have seen several WW blogs been stopped altogether or have suspended any features on this new look until the original WW has been reinstated. Its an HORRENDOUS situation all round.<br />My congratulations on your round-up on how the comic has been written over the years.karlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07814365568280298681noreply@blogger.com